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Liberal
Party war room, and helped Jean Chrétien win
sweeping majorities in the 1993 and 2000 federal elections. Along
the way, he has also made life incredibly unpleasant for a number
of opponents. Just ask Kim Campbell and Stockwell Day.
In Kicking Ass in Canadian Politics, the Prince of Darkness
comes clean on the strategies of spin that political parties and
candidates employ to get their messages across to the voters.
From party headquarters to the campaign trail; from the riding
office to the halls of Parliament, Kinsella offers readers the
ultimate insiders view of the sometimes meaningful, sometimes
mean-spirited, but always fascinating circus that ensues every
time we go to the polls.
Q. In the book, you offer a no-holds-barred look at the battle
for the hearts and minds of Canadian voters. How did you become
schooled in the various techniques of kicking ass?
Did your experience as a journalist influence your development
as a political strategist?
A. My experience in kicking ass, politically,
includes doing it to others and more than once getting
it done to me. Ive worked on campaigns from coast to coast,
and learned along the way that, despite what the media says, tough,
in-your-face political communications work. And Kicking Ass tries
to persuade people of that.
Being a reporter helped me in politics. Reporting teaches you
to write fast and factually. And in a 24-hour, 7-day-a-week, 500-channel
universe, being fast and factual helps a lot.
Q. Over the past ten years, the Canadian political landscape
has shifted dramatically, with the creation of new parties and
the breakdown of traditional political loyalties across the country.
What has contributed to this transformation?
A. Im a liberal, small and large l, so Im
biased. But I would say conservative parties in Canada have revealed
themselves to be among other things completely undisciplined.
In politics, in Canada or elsewhere, no voter will give you their
support if you cant keep your own house in order. And Canadian
conservatives have the messiest house around. These guys couldnt
run a three-house paper route, from what I have observed.
Q. There has been a lot of discussion, both here and in the United
States, about negative campaigning. Voters often complain when
politicians go neg and view negative campaigning as
dirty. Yet you argue that there is nothing dirty about going neg,
and that, in fact, it is both fair and incredibly effective.
A. Theres nothing negative about criticizing the public
record of an opponent in a democracy. That, in fact, is the right
thing to do. In campaigns, you want to inform people and motivate
them. If some critical communications that are scrupulously
accurate help to get that job done, I say so be it. So-called
negative political communications are used by guys like me because,
basically, they work. People remember them more. People find them
more factual. And people are motivated by them to vote a certain
way.
Q. In the 1993 election, you were part of the Liberal Partys
Task Force. Why was the Task Force created and how did its activities
signify a new direction in Canadian politics?
A. I shamelessly copied the idea from Bill Clintons
top guy, James Carville. I felt there was a need to change the
way we did things in campaigns. My motto was, If youre
not part of the story before its written, youre not
part of the story at all. So thats the way we did
things staying ahead of the wave, responding quickly to
attacks, and initiating a few of our own.
It was new to Canadian politics in 1993, but it aint now.
Everybody does it. But the results of the last few elections demonstrate
who does it best, perhaps.
Q. What are some of the most outrageous, yet effective, stunts
that you have pulled during the course of a campaign?
A. When I suggested that Stockwell Day had a desire to hammer
down the wall between church and state, and force the teaching
of creationism in schools, I needed to do that in a memorable
way. So I suggested that his belief that dinosaurs and humans
had coexisted was evidence that he thought The Flintstones was
a documentary. That line got a few laughs, but a serious point
was underneath.
Q. You ran unsuccessfully for a seat in Parliament during the
1997 election. By your own admission, you ignored your own credo
to kick ass and run an aggressive campaign. Why didnt you
follow your own advice?
A. In politics, as in life, you sometimes forget the commandments.
I forgot the one about fighting back against attacks and lies
kicking ass, in effect.
I had never thought I would win that race the Liberals
hadnt held the seat for nearly 30 years but I learned
my lesson. If Im ever crazy enough to run again, Ill
be practising what I preach.
Q. We live in an age of information overload. Through television
and the Internet, issues and events bombard us and overwhelm our
attention spans. Has this led to an erosion of content in political
discussion? If so, has this worked to the political strategists
advantage?
A. The Internet has placed more political information at the
disposal of voters than ever before, and thats a good thing
for democracy. At the same time, the Internet has been a very
damaging influence with the Clinton-Lewinsky thing, for
example, which is something that had no business becoming as big
a deal as it did.
Right now, the Internet remains a minor part of most political
campaigns. But that will change in the years ahead, I suspect.
Q. There seems to be a growing cynicism among voters across
the country. As our lives become more complex and demands on our
time increase dramatically, it seems that the political process
is becoming less of a priority witness declining voter
turnout at the polls. With this in mind, some commentators have
questioned whether political campaigns matter anymore. How would
you respond to that?
A. Ive heard the criticisms: namely, that campaigns
are utterly irrelevant to the lives of real people you
know, the folks who sneer, or head to the kitchen for a glass
of milk, when a political spot is broadcast. If campaigns are
designed to inform voters about the choices available to them
if they highlight differences, and if they motivate voters
to express themselves on the basis of those differences
then campaigns do what they are supposed to do. Political campaigns
may not be the prettiest of dialectical exercises, but they seem
to meet the two basic requirements: information and motivation.
Q. In the book, you provide some very strong opinions about
political journalists and offer a controversial report card for
some of the countrys high profile political scribes and
pundits. How complicated is the relationship between a political
strategist and the Ottawa press gallery?
A. Most of the time, political people suck up to reporters
to win some positive coverage. My view is that that approach doesnt
work mostly because reporters arent dummies. They
know when someone is trying to manipulate them. So, I take a different
approach. If a reporter is dead wrong, I say so. A lot of reporters
dont like that theyre good at dishing it, but
not so good at taking it. I say, too bad. Get used to it. In the
future, politicians will be getting tougher with the media, because
they know the voting public doesnt have the highest regard
for the media, either.
Q. Do your future plans include another run at public office?
A. Not if my wife has anything to do with it. Shed murder
me and no jury would convict her!
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